This post examines how radiative forcing depends on CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere. In CO2 greenhouse demystified, we calculated the effective emission height where “thermal” photons escape to space . This height depends on the lapse rate temperature and defines the outgoing radiative flux for a given wavelength. By integrating over all lines in the CO2 15 micron band we were able to derive by how much the radiative flux reduced for a doubling of CO2. This “instantaneous” energy imbalance is usually called radiative forcing. Now we study how in detail this radiative forcing depends on CO2 concentration. Figure 1 shows CO2 induced radiative forcing varies as a function of fractional concentration (C/C0), assuming a constant surface temperature of 288 K and a constant lapse rate.

The increase shows an approximately logarithmic dependency. A best fit to the data for CO2 concentrations from 100ppm(as reference) up to 1000 ppm(C/C0=10), assuming a fixed surface temperature and stable atmosphere gives

**R.F = 6.6 log (C/C0) , where C is CO2 .**

We have derived the often quoted formula in climate science for the radiative forcing for a CO2 increase from concentration Co to C. This canonical equation is given by ~5.4 log (C/C0)[1] ! OK so our result is about 20% higher – but that is pretty good IMHO, since the formula is never explained without reference to results from various GCM black boxes. Now we see here how it can be approximately derived just from changes to the emission height with increasing CO2.

Figure 2 shows the Planck spectra for a range of concentrations showing how OLR reduces with increasing CO2 to produce this dependence.

Finally we can also make an estimate for the net change in surface temperature due to CO2.

Averaging over clouds(), oceans and land() we then get a global averaged

If we assume that each increment in forcing DS is offset by the same increase in Black Body radiation due to a small surface temperature rise DT, then we can iterate through long term increases in CO2 concentrations. The result is shown in Figure 3.

**Summary:** By calculating effective emission heights for Co2 we have shown that:

1. Modern levels of 300 ppm of CO2 have resulted in an average surface temperature ~ 4 deg.C higher than an atmosphere free of CO2.

2. A doubling of CO2 from 300 – 600 ppm results in a further ~1.5C increase in surface temperatures.

Published results from more sophisticated GCMs reduce these figures by ~ 20%.

**References**

[1] Myhre et al. New estimates of radiative forcing due to well mixed greenhouse gasses Phys.Rev.Lett., 25, 2715-2718,1998

CB, I appreciate what you are doing with this series of posts, in providing an outsider’s sanity check.

To me it seems much of the uncertainty is partitioning the marginal effects between radiative transfer for an atmospheric profile and how that atmospheric profile is modified by convective properties of the variable gases. These pieces don’t lock together tightly, and nothing appears to dominate. Yet they have to work together to balance the energy flows and approach some sort of steady state.

Whenever this kind of coupling occurs, I have noticed that physicists like to use variational approaches ala Lagrange multipliers as a solution strategy.

This paper (On Maximum Entropy Profiles) by Verkley and Gerkema use a similar clean exposition of thermodynamic relationships that you are applying and adds in a variational strategy:

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0469%282004%29061%3C0931:OMEP%3E2.0.CO%3B2

Attaching your radiative profile to their variational approach may be the missing link in narrowing down the uncertainty. We still may not know what the multipliers mean but it is something to consider.

Thanks for the suggestion. I am going to study their paper.

One interesting coincidence I found was that the CO2 radiative energy flux through the atmosphere seems to be maximised at exactly 300ppm. Too little and surface radiation takes over, too much and there is less radiative transfer upwards. It is almost as if the CO2 concentrations are driven to this value by thermodynamics.

Hi Clive. The ‘modern level is 400ppm not 300ppm isn’t it?

Very true !

I think I was meaning modern as in mid 20th century ! The exercise was to understand the formula DS = 5.3ln(C/C0). I understand now how it arises. Of course there is also the assumption that nothing else changes. So for example that the lapse rate remains constant. If the lapse rate decreases the GHE also decreases.

Thanks Clive. The assumption that ‘all other things remain equal’ is indeed a dangerous one. Miskolczi’s analysis of radiosonde data revealed that atmopheric opacity hardly varied over the period of record, despite the increase in airorne co2.

In tracing the genesis of radiative forcing, it was affirming to find someone coming to the same conclusion, that the RF=5.3 ln(C/Co) “formula is never explained without reference to results from various GCM black boxes.” Is this still the case?

In your March 1, 2013 reply to WebHubTelescope, you mention a maximum radiative flux through the atmosphere at 300 ppm. I don’t see that inflection appearing in any of the figures in your post. Has this been followed up anywhere? This could be a path to explaining the limitations of the logarithmic radiative forcing formula which predicts negative forcing for CO2 below any arbitrary CO2 reference value.

Yes the formula RF = 5.3 ln(C/C0) is simply a fit made to the results of different GCM models where CO2 is increased and everything else is kept constant. The origin of this formula is a paper by Myhre et al. (see ref 1). I think it is avialable for free if you search on google.

Forcing is logarithmic with CO2 because most of the central lines in the 15 micron absorption band are already saturated through out the troposphere. In the lower stratosphere temperature is constant with height so there is zero forcing. The central line actually gives negative forcing because temperature increases with height in the upper stratosphere so that MORE IR is radiated with increased CO2 – i.e. increased cooling !

The net positive forcing is due to the side lines in the main band increasing absorption reducing outgoing IR. The net result is a logarithmic increase as I was also able to prove above with my simple model.

The reference to the maximum radiative flux form the atmosphere is based on a previous study – see https://clivebest.com/blog/?p=4345 (and previous post) where you can also download a very simple excell spreadsheet radiative transfer model. When I went on to look at how the fraction of OLR originating from the surface or atmosphere varies with concentration – see https://clivebest.com/blog/?p=4475 I got this result

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The maximum radiative heat loss due to CO2 from the atmosphere occurs at ~300ppm. That can’t be a coincidence. Why else should the natural level for CO2 at current temperatures on earth be 300ppm ? Why not 1000ppm ?

1) Clive, in your plot of OLR vs. CO2, Tsurf is going to vary as a function of CO2. What is the effect on your plot of taking this dependence into account, for climate sensitivities of (i) 1.0, (ii) 2.0, (iii) 3.0, (iv) 4.0?

2) Although CO2 has been hovering around 300 ppmv for the past two or three million years, that’s less than 0.1% of Earth’s life. Most of it has been spent at much higher CO2 levels, with the decline to the current level taking place during the 65 My of the Cenozoic Era. That said, an answer to 1) could conceivably show that your peak moves up as Tsurf increases, though it would be remarkable if your observation remained true over a wide range of Tsurf’s for some plausible sensitivity.

One candidate for a regulator holding CO2 at 300 ppmv is plant life, which would appear to be the main consumer of CO2, lowering it by successfully sequestering it throughout the Cenozoic. This is a self-limiting process as plant life depends on CO2. During glaciations of the Quaternary, net global plant activity decreases allowing them to get by with CO2 down to 200 ppmv, but in the warm periods in between they need to allow the CO2 to rise in order not to starve themselves. All very hypothetical, but an alternative to the peak of your curve as an explanation of why 300 ppmv: if the plants lower CO2 any further they starve and the CO2 then rises back up, a regulating mechanism. At the start of the Cenozoic plants weren’t as demanding, but as their demands grew the CO2 decreased to the lowest feasible limit for type C3 plant life.

Type C4 is a relatively recent innovation aimed at reducing dependence on CO2. As C4 takes hold we may find CO2 being pushed down below the Quaternary levels. However cold then becomes a limiting factor, and C4 may turn out to be useful for plants mainly as a niche innovation. Plants may have even figured this out already.

All this could benefit from more equations.

Hi Clive,

My understanding based on Houghton is that an atmosphere free of CO2 would result in the Earth behaving as a blackbody and using the “naked earth” model the temperature would be 32 C less than preindustrial temperatures. At the last glacial maximum CO2 was around 190 ppm and the earth was about 5 C colder than today. Now we are a little over double which would imply more than a 5 C temperature change since the long term average CO2 before 1750 was about 280 ppm for 8000 years and temperatures have only risen about 1 C since 1750. This would imply a 7 C response over the long term to a doubling of CO2.

That would only be true of an atmosphere free of CO2 AND H2O. Water vapour covers a larger spectral range of the black body spectrum than CO2. Consequently it has a higher net GHE than CO2. The main CO2 absorption band on earth is 15 micron, The central lines are already saturated by 100ppm. CO2 forcing is logarithmic with concentration because it is only the smaller side bands which increase net absorption as CO2 rises. The total GHE of CO2 currently causes a 7C warming. The other 25C is due to H2O.

The Ice age effect GHE cooling feedback was stronger because H2O levels fell as well as CO2. However the main effect was a reduction in high latitude solar radiation and a reduction in albedo due to large northern ice sheets.

My judgement is that a doubling of CO2 gives a long term equilibrium warming of about 2.3C

I Guess you mean an ‘increase’ in albedo in your comment above. Interestingly your 2.3C is about the same as Otto et al ” revised the best estimate to 2C, with a range of 1.2C – 3.9C.” http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n6/full/ngeo1836.html

Clive!

I’m not sure that I follow, and I would really appreciate if you, or anybody else, took the time to point me in the right direction.

Is the 5,35ln(c/c0) the reduction in OLR given the change in concentration of co2??? If so, how does that translate into an analogue forcing at the surface? By a constant lapse rate??

Does a surface forcing demand a higher temperature somewhere in the atmosphere?

Is the 5,35ln(c/c0) based on the assumption of 255k being the Earth black-body temperature?

Thanks!

The term ‘radiative forcing’ is kind of confusing. I think it just refers to the instantaneous energy imbalance at the ‘Top of the Atmosphere’ following an instantaneous increase in CO2, assuming nothing else changes. Following any energy imbalance the surface & atmosphere react to restore balance. If you assume that the surface alone reacts then a warming of 1.1C would be enough for a doubling of CO2.

A lapse rate is fundamental to the greenhouse effect. It is assumed that it remains constant in order to get the 5.3ln(c/c0) formula.

In the real world however, the lapse rate will reduce with more evaporation – a negative feedback. However, more evaporation increases H2O – a positive feedback, and produce more clouds – a negative feedback All climate models have different responses for these feedback effects and they can’t all be right. For that reason the actual temperature response to a doubling of CO2 could be as low as 1C or as high as 4.5C. The data suggests it is no higher than 2.5C.

I believe you have made a mistake in your energy balance equation. The Sun illuminates the disc of the Earth (radius RE), so the total energy of the Sun transmitted to the Earth is S * pi * RE^2 * ea, where ea is the absorption efficiency (0.7). However, the heat of the Earth is radiated into space over the whole warm area. If the entire Earth were uniformly heated to the same temperature, we would need to use its total surface area of 4 * pi * RE^2, so that he radiated heat would be : sigma * T^4 * er * 4 * pi * RE^2, where er is the radiation efficiency (a function of many things, including greenhouse gases). If the Earth did not rotate, and only radiated from a single hemisphere, the radiation area would be 2 * pi * RE^2. Probably the value should be ~3 * pi * RE^2, as the Earth is not evenly heated, but the night side is not terribly cold either. When you use these values, you will get a much reduced temperature effect from CO2.

I have redone the calculation Clive Best, using the value of DLR (Downward long wavelength Radiation) published in the posting above of 5 W/m2. The result is then a climate sensitivity of 0.6C when CO increases from 300 ppm to 600 ppm. However, the 5 W/m2 is exagerated. For the forst time the DLR (Downward long wavelength Radiation) has been measured under clear sky conditions and by eliminating the contribution of humidity in the air. The result is a DLR increase of 0.2W/m2 for each increase with CO2 of 22 pmm. This results for a CO2 level increase from 300 ppm to 600 ppm to a DLR of 0.2 W/m2 x 300 ppmv/22 ppmv = 2.7 W/m2. This value is significantly lower compared to the 5W/m2 shown in the Table above. The resultant climate sensitivity is then 0.4C.

Here the reference to the Feldman paper form 2015:

Feldman, D., Collins, W., Gero, P. et al. Observational determination of surface radiative forcing by CO2 from 2000 to 2010. Nature 519, 339–343 (2015). https://doi.org/10.1038/nature14240

For the forst time the DLR (Downward long wavelength Radiation) has been measured under clear sky conditions and by eliminating the contribution of humidity in the air. The result is a DLR increase of 0.2W/m2 for each increase with CO2 of 22 pmm. This results for a CO2 level increase from 300 ppm to 600 ppm to a DLR of 0.2 W/m2 x 300 ppmv/22 ppmv = 2.7 W/m2.

I was wondering if you could explain the following to me as an argument principle as i am engaged in debate with someone on quora and need some evidence – ”Please show me a peer reviewed, published study that shows Co2 is a black body radiant? To date all studies indicate that Co2 is not and therefore has no ability to radiate more heat than it has absorbed? Co2 absorbs to saturation all its heat in the bottom 10 meters of the atmosphere, at which point it can no longer absorb any more heat?”

So what I need, if possible, is published study list. And the insight to this.

My background is that i have taken an interest in climate this year. And from that do stuff on quora where I answer investigate climate questions at basic level.

With thanks

Russell

CO2 is not a black body. The argument goes like this.

Sunlight heats the surface of the earth which warms the air in contact with it at “sea-level”. Warm air rises so a convective lapse rate is generated. All air molecules are at the same temperature including the 400ppm of CO2. CO2 also radiates photons in all directions but this is unimportant near the surface. It is only high up in the troposphere that CO2 becomes important because photons emitted upwards can escape to space. The tropopause occurs near this height because convection runs out of steam there. The height is called the effective emission height for CO2. If you add more CO2 then the height increases so convection increases from the surface. The temperature of the emission height remains the same so the surface temperature increases a little to compensate. That is all there is to the greenhouse effect of CO2. Of course water vapour and the window limit the CO2 effect to a degree C or so.

Thanks for the reply, I quoted you at Quora in the comments in relation to the the point at hand. So thanks for the help. And left your link.

It is very useful to have read some the physico-mathematical background to the modelling of the CO2 “greenhouse” effect; thank you.

From the social point of view what is critical is perhaps at what altitude lies the average (whatever that might mean) ellipsoidal zero degree isotherm in respect of CO2 (etc.) concentration and where this isotherm intersects the Earth’s surface in mountainous and in polar regions. The Himalayas provide a large reservoir of frozen water, replenished yearly by the Monsoon, via assorted Asian rivers for perhaps a couple of billion people . Should that isotherm lie at 3000m altitude in the Himalayan regions, all could be well; should that isotherm rise to say 5000 or 6000m altitude as a result of a relatively minor increase in the atmospheric concentration of CO2, then perhaps we have a problem where meltwater-runoff exceeds the rate of replenishment of the Himalayan glaciers.

Given the behaviour of glaciers under gravity and the fact that ice binds together the commonly fractured rocks of oversteepened mountain slopes, it would seem that a rise in altitude of the “average zero-degree C global isotherm” i.e. a consequent rise in the “average” local temperature of around 1-2 degrees Centigrade, could cause serious short-term and long-term social problems locally and downstream.

A rise in altitude of said isotherm could presumably also raise the surface temperature of the polar tundra regions, during both winter and summer, again creating awkward problems for local infrastructure.